It's all pre-ordained, says Bob.
God planned it all and it's all in that plan.
It's all pre-ordained, says Bob.
From the fall of a sparrow to who rules the land.

Some obvious corollaries:

That means He planned atheists, feminists, gays,
The Muslims, the Buddhists and those who don't pray.
And those who exhort us in God's holy name
To change our ways or be thrown to the flame,
Are trying to "fix" that most perfect of plans.
Woe unto them when they land in His hands!


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8 thoughts on “Hubris

  1. Wow. As the actress said to the fish, you are one confused fella, Bob
    First off, you say God is in control. Then, he lets some people think they’re in control, and he lets the everybody think these people are in control, but they’re not, God is. But then, sometimes these people who think they’re in control do things that God doesn’t want them to do, which means that God has lost control. And when they die, and when the people who think that these other people are in control also die, they will find out that God was in control all along, even when he clearly wasn’t in control.


    Then, the Queen openly mocks God even though he was the one that ordained that she should be Queen. God is not mocked, even though billions of non-Christians do it every minute of every day. Others rule unjustly yet they were also ordained by God, who somehow failed to realize exactly who it was that he was ordaining. Now matter how we vote in an election, God has already decided who the winner should be, so even if not a single vote was cast it will be clear who the winner is. Atheists don’t believe in God yet we are angry that there might be one.

    Romans 13 is crystal clear: Anybody who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted. So by defeating Hitler in WW2, the allies were actually rebelling against God. Everybody who has suffered under a tyrannical regime are wrongdoers, whilst those who support such regimes are the ones doing right. People should submit to despots, especially violent ones.

    Don’t believe me? Of course you don’t. So let’s make it easier on you by specifying the ‘governing authority’ as Hitler.

    “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established, such as Hitler. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against Hitler is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For Hitler holds no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of Hitler? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For Hitler is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for Hitler does not bear the sword for no reason. Hitler is God’s servants, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to Hitler, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.”

    So, a word of Bob advice, to save future embarrassment : If you’re going to quote Bible verse at us, read it first. Read what it says, not what you think it says, or not what you want it to say.

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  2. I once watched a documentary about truck drivers in India. They were Hindus and, like Bob, believed that everything was pre-ordained by their god. So they didn’t bother turning on headlights at night, or slowing down on treacherous mountain roads, as their fate, they claimed, was already determined and there was nothing they could do to affect or avoid it. Quite simply, they were in complete and utter denial of reality and were happy to abdicate all responsibility for their actions. Traits, it would seem, that run through more than just Bob’s own brand of religious twaddle.


  3. Another question, which Bobbie-boy will not answer, is why, if everything is already pre-ordained, does he badger people on the street? By his own beliefs he cannot have any influence on whether they succumb to his crazy ideals or not. Those who will, in Bobbie-boy’s eyes, be saved or not is already known to the almighty Zeeb in the sky and it will not change.

    PS: I have been bored shitless by many pieces about free will, so that is a non answer as it is nothing more than a pathetic debate to keep philosophers in business.

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  4. Replies:

    Dave Godfrey: I am not confused. I fully accept the truth of Romans 13. Yes, God did ordain HItler to come to power. We must obey the government unless it demands obedience to a law that violates the Word of God (ref: 1st Peter 2 v 13 and Acts 5 v 29). I am not embarrassed despite what you infer.

    Agent Cormac: Hindus do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and are, therefore, heading for Hell unless they get saved.

    Stephen Mynett: I do not badger people but simply offer leaflets. All Christians should spread the Word because Jesus, as our Lord and Master, has commanded it.


  5. Bobbie-boy, just the act of handing out leaflets in the street, whether they are for a half-price burgers, double-glazing or religion is badgering people.

    If all is pre-ordained, as you say, you cannot influence people in any way, so why do you do it, even if commanded to do so it is a waste of time and leads to two possible conclusions, the bible is a load of bollocks or your god, in the remote chance of it existing, is a complete asshole who likes mucking people about.


  6. Agent Cormac: Hindus do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and are, therefore, heading for Hell unless they get saved.

    Yeah, whatever, Bob. And you don’t believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which I do. So I say you’re going to spend eternity being boiled in a pan of tomato sauce unless you change your mind and see the light. And before you dare dismiss His Noodliness as fictitious nonsense, you might well want to reflect on the fact that the assertion I’ve just made is every bit as valid, plausible, believable, logical and credible as your own.


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